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YT2009 and WarpStream (Protoweb) prove the old YouTube can still work today. The new one is just a cat and mouse game of diminishing returns.


Now the YouTube layout is bloated and is in diminishing returns for a while.

The writing is on the wall.

Maybe we need to hire construction teams to break into peoples' houses and change them every 5 seconds.


In all fairness, we use proxies without realizing it.


Speaking of MITM proxy, which one do you use?

Currently doing some interesting experiments on a bunch of Legacy Windows VMs. ;-)


This doesn't get talked about enough.

Microsoft back then was just a software company, they didn't care about your real life. Unfortunately, companies today are a different story.


> How would it be worse?

well Google is constantly moving too fast and they're mainly an internet company, whereas Microsoft was just the software company.

derp


userbinator speaking out again, loving your posts on "modern" stuff.

Unfortunately, that's how it's like sadly. People just want the "constant CONSTANT CONSTANT UPDATES!!!" without thinking properly, even if they don't need the new features but it's just because the company said so.

Heck, physical books don't even need to get any updates and I can still enjoy picking them up and reading them, just like I can still enjoy launching the old software and using them.

IMHO the software is already feeling like 99% complete, companies just want to abuse the users, get them to use their abusive models, and milk the software in general just because they're lacking any ideas for new "features".

Anyways, feel free to throw pitchforks at me all you want ;)


I just threw a pitchfork at you. It had only one tine, though. It was to the left of your username above, and pointing upward. Heck, it just disappeared into the screen or something.


> "obsolete" is meaningless.

Physical books are obsolete for not changing without your consent every 5 seconds. /s


I've been using YT2009 since the release and I loved it since. More responsive than regular YouTube and IMO the 2009 layout looks better than the "modern" one. The best thing about this frontend is that you can watch YouTube on old computers again, proving that you don't need the crap on the "modern" YouTube site.


Agreed. Sadly it's due to the constant churn of tech these days. Developers should just take notes from the books on the shelf: don't change without consent unless you explicitly some change.

Slightly off-topic: I've been viewing YouTube on a old YouTube frontend that works back to (at least iirc) IE6 and Win98 for some time now [1] [2] [3]. The frontend feels mad snappy as hell and it loads fast compared to YouTube today since the frontend is not heavily JavaScript reliant, it just uses it to enhance the site.

[1] https://i.ibb.co/YpmFP91/yt2009-34.png [2] https://i.ibb.co/THK0wk0/yt2009-35.png [3] https://i.ibb.co/nk7nxZQ/yt2009-36.png


    Abuse of animation and skip of best-effort loading:
    This is probably more relevant to the sluggishness and bad interoperability, rather than JavaScript.
    [ Those abusing JavaScript for nefarious purposes: probably not the JavaScript to blame. ]

    Standards established don't necessarily imply being well-designed:
    Blindly following without thinking shall regardless trap.

    Many current infrastructures are fundamentally flawed and difficult to fix:
    1 step wrong, all steps wrong.


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