OP is not a bot. I can tell you that for sure.

To your point, and I see that it is a recurring opinion around here.

I like the way you think, yet I find it difficult to see how one such movement would emerge.

Most likely from the Open Source community, as I do not see any incumbent intending to go in that direction, don't you think?

Generally you'd need a killer app/device designed from the standpoint of a vision and once the app/device spreads, so does the vision.

I had the idea of a trashcan that knows what's being thrown away, say with a handheld barcode scanner. The product can be a wifi connected barcode scanner. Each time you scan something, you'd say something like: need 3 more now, past expiry, didn't like, find alternative, order more in 2 weeks. And that barcode scanner would do the ordering through an Agent for replacements.

Not sure if it needs to be wifi connected, but needs web access somehow at some point.

On the other side, suppliers would pay to access and fulfill these orders. Eventually that would be done by Robotaxis and drones. There could be a screen attached to this barcode scanner too ( see this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46699782 )

So I guess the goal is to setup a site MyStuff. And aim to slot in OmniLinux in there. Also worth taking into account the recycling aspect.. trash is money.

Maybe you could even take the scanner shopping to discover and scan things with it... not sure how retailers would feel about that.

Could also be used to quickly and easily sell one's stuff, or tokenize it.

But yeah, this is just zooming in on a starting point. The other idea I had was community notice boards. Always important across the world, especially for launching a business. Maybe they could have little cameras in them to record new pinups. Sell to local councils.

So with MyStuff, I am not sure how that overlaps with IoT and Tokenization, some things would be assets, some just things.

Maybe get a really good website going and find a way to let people populate it with data.

I am attempting to move away from smartphones as well. Maybe there's a way to give away these scanners forA Social Network for AI Agents free or provide rebates if the data they collect is solid and/or leads to real transactions. Can also be used as a crypto wallet in face-to-face transactions. That'd be nice - and a way to limit the loss if the scanner is lost/stolen.

Good luck.

I'm not gonna say don't do it. By all means, go ahead and try it out.

My only advice is: don't get married to the solution.

Or, in wiser words, fall in love with the problem, not the solution (I think Ury Levine coined that one).

At the end of the day, either you'll have learned or succeeded.

Good stuff, tks

Who said people want to wear goggles? I mean, seriously, what on earth is Apple Vision Pro??

Voice is natural, it is fluid, it conveys emotion, intent.

You cannot seriously be comparing metaverse immersion BS with voice commanded devices.

There are other 'glasses' systems in industrial use, giving engineers/technicians plans overlaid into their augmented reality. Usually voice activated. So that exists. Less cumbersome than that Apple or Metaverse stuff. Because industrial users won't have any of that. (mostly)

Yeah. I see that working.

But one thing is seeing the content and another thing is interacting with the UI to accomplish an office task, for instance.

Please elaborate. How does this resonate with the average user who doesn't know anything about infosec.

I think that, for the first time in tech history, we have the tools to step away from ineffective app installs and menu cluttering and memorization and that is a rather big thing.

If you don't agree, take a step back and tell me how many people prefer navigating a terminal window using a keyboard instead of a graphic interface using a mouse.

The future belongs to a more frictionless, no keyboard, voice activated UI, IMHO.

Many professionals, not even necessarily in IT prefer the "green screen", because it enables them to do things faster with a few key-strokes, instead of having to click around in laggy menues.

I guess, maybe because you don't know it any better(systems and device form factors), you're trying to correct an already dumbed down(for mass acceptance) interface paradigm, with one which is even more indirect and imprecise.

Trillions of flies eat shit. Makes sense?

You cannot be seriously thinking that the future lies in memorizing commands and typing words one stroke at a time on a keyboard.

We are already seeing traditional coding evaporate overnight, let alone have people memorize commands and type it like we were in the 19th century.

I can't tell how this is developing, and which parts will be adopted by the masses, if offered at all, and which wont, and how that will change what the few remaining professionals do.

I'm just thinking it's not as clear-cut as you make it to be, as the past shows, multiple times. For whichever, maybe technically unrelated reasons.

Also "use it or lose it" and "learned helplessness" comes to mind.

Tks for sharing your views on this

And, BTW, according to Henry Ford, if he listened to his customers, he would have gone after faster horses.

Most people don't see innovation until it is materialized in front of them.

I have difficulty to see that, as it requires proper packaging and distribution for mainstream adoption.

Plus the average user doesn't care about data sovereignty, what they care about is UX and dopamine.

How many users you know of that are concerned with data collection by big tech? How much does that account for percent wise?

From that perspective the operating system are a few apps on the browser since that is that users see and get their dopamine rush.

In my opinion users won't choose a future where sovereignity matters. It is a future forced upon them, because they will simply pick whatever methods are still available for communicating.

We used to see this only in a few edge countries like NK and Cuba. Now it is becoming the norm on Russia, Iran, China, Japan and more recently even Europe if you follow the most recent developments. What was once an open garden is becoming quite fenced.

I see it as a rather logical step with the advances in voice first AI wearables.

Think about it. Not everyone wants to be recorded as a bystander. Privacy will be an issue.

The technology for audio signature already exists and works fine.

It will be a matter of opt-in/opt-out from users, not an OS decision.

Well, I am glad that we both respect the amount of damage that can be avoided if you take into account the risks involved in handing over full autonomy to these agents.

In the meantime, Moltbook comes along and all of a sudden these agents are mimicking human behavior, good or bad, while building features and more complex failure modes onto these AI-Agents-first networks.

For me it's a huge yellow flag, to put it mildly.

Thank you for the link and the compliment.