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It is the fault of the coders, the salespeople who over-promised the capabilities of the system, the lawmakers who have not regulated or demanded a minimum percentage of accuracy from those products, the AI' company's onboarding trainers, the cops that were trained to use the software, the jailers, and maybe other related positions that should've taken a better interest in making a better system, not a more cruel one

Which means that, if the cops (and other relevant personnel) gets it wrong, they should get served with the same injustices that they committed, no questions asked... you know, because they didn't raise any when they were the ones dishing out punishments.

Edit: wording, formatting


>if the cops (and other relevant personnel) gets it wrong, they should get served with the same injustices that they committed

What if no one would want to work as a policemen and you end up alone against local gang?


> What if no one would want to work as a policemen

This is by far the worst argument. What if we held doctors accountable for malpractice and no one wanted to be a doctor? What if we held engineers liable for faulty designs that break and kill people and no one wanted to be an engineer? What if we held OCCUPATION accountable for DOING JOB BADLY / BREAKING THE LAW? Its a nonsense argument.

What would happen is that only the people that intended to be bad police would not want to the job and/or the people that were bad police (intentional or otherwise) get kicked out of the police force. Same as with every other profession. This is a fantastic outcome and we should do it immediately.


What if the police force is the local gang?

There are plenty of westerns about it

And tied to inflation (or to a % of gross income), too, otherwise it'll be cheaper in X years to get fined than to hire information security officers

> The ~foo as backup convention is not part of any standard. > [...] > It's the second thing I fix in either Vim or Emacs: Put backup files in a central location. (The first is proper indentation/spacing rules.)

Perhaps not a standard, but you yourself admit it's the default behavior.

Though I agree that the simple mechanism acts ... er,... simply, shouldn't it be at the very least aware of the default behavior of common editors?


They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre?

I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there exist no conflicts of interest to be found.


fifteen years ago I use to do mobile pentests for banks and when we could not find anything significant for the reports we could’ve always count on “lack of rooting detection” and pin the risk on some vague mobile banking malware threat pushed by marketing. I am sorry I contributed to this nonsense.

100% security theater, and here we are.


It's understandable; I would maybe expect to undergo an extra step in verification for a sensitive app like, "we noticed this is the first time you are using this system that is not locked down; please type in the token we have mailed you".

But locking users out (which may not directly be the bank's fault for relying on OS's security APIs) seems anti-competitive.


Would you bet your company on that happening soon? :)

Ha! Well, not right now! Previous to the last year or so, this wouldn't have escalated to the current situation where we're actively having to be wary of fending off Big Brother or blatant power grabs.

However, given that we're talking about a European phone, I'm willing to bet that this type of effort goes hand in hand with decoupling from American-backed services (at least for those who've seen the writing on the wall and understand the risk to their sovereignty if they put all their eggs on an American basket).


A similar question could be asked of the banks too.

Common sense and decency has departed the world's economic and legal systems for a while, huh?

It now seems to be a "how evil can I be without it affecting our bottom line?" system.


It's all just games, they just want to win. Dollars are the overall points, but they're even willing to sacrifice some of those to win bigger cases more brutally.

It feels like "they're" pulling the ladder after building the surveillance state with our free tools.

I wonder if "they're" trying to install a Nomenklatura-style [0] government.

[0]: Alison "alimcforever" McIntyre, The Soviet "communist" elite was already a owning class. <https://youtu.be/QYRMgjKTy1s>


Honest question, wouldn't the Ad Topics proposal by Google have shifted away from all this data being leaked during bids? IIRC, advertisers would've received something like 4 words to specify your interests. Maybe I'm misremembering.

> best to just quietly wait it out

That's what an abuser expects of their victims.

The disproportionate retaliation against Spain, I think, is out of fear that the US face consequences. The Trump-Epstein cabal would be quickly over if a united European Union actually put some resistance or threat that affected the bottom line of American companies: "push the petty dictator out, or we stop trade with the US"... billionaires would suddenly start funding progressive think tanks.

But I digress... It's nice to fantasize about having elected leaders finally find their balls.


Let's not drape ourselves in lobbyist-ammended laws too fast now; laws are the source code, in a way, of societies. They lay down the things we value, and what we are willing to do to protect them. These last few decades, a corporate coup has taken place, and we find ourselves with goons making probably illegal changes at the behest of billionaires (or at that of the people that are blackmailing them because they're likely in "the files").

So, whose law do you find so precious that you're willing to die in anarchy for?

P.S.: Laws are actually more like new years resolutions for a society; you gotta follow through with eating the rich (enforcement), or else you get a bad case of conventus secretus which may eventually lead to acute homines fascistae


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