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Hi! Creator here (of iOS404) - you can filter level of standard and compare to FF Android (or compare to Safari Desktop, or any mix) instead if you'd like.


It's called iOS404, not "FF" or "Chrome" and pushes the narrative that iOS is bad, and missing features.

There are 34 features listed (IIRC it did contain a bunch of Chrome-only crap once upon the time, hence my harsh reaction). All of them enabled by default. If we limit this only to actual, you know, standards, and not "scribbled on a napkin, awaits review", we get a grand total of 9 (yes, nine). And even there many are not "not implemented" but "missing some features (sometimes big, sometimes small and irrelevant)".


Are you mad because they probably found the same thing I did when doing web stuff that had to run on iOS (going as far back as about 2012~) that iOS required so much more hoop jumping, hacks, polyfills etc? It was just assumed that every other platform worked fine, time was always allocated for inevitable issues on mobile Safari.


Yep - the site has a point of view but rooted in real data that you can filter as you'd like.

I've had real-world experiences where I develop something that works on my Mac and my Pixel phone but cannot work on iOS WebKit (basically kaputt on iPhones). It inspired the creation of the site - specifically not being able to allow users to have Audio at anything but 100% seemed extremely weird.

I'm not offended by sites that also point out issues with a slant against Google. Ie: killedbygoogle - I think these things are great, fun, and interesting.


Amazing site. Thanks for making it.


Of course! Thanks!


FF Update: Gecko based Firefox isn’t as performant as WebKit/Chromium on desktop/mobile devices when it comes to some canvas operations (even on offscreen!). I was able to greatly improve performance on desktop by limiting how much I drew and played with UV coords instead. That unfortunately wasn’t enough for FF on Android. Had to turn off “live” snowflake rendering for android. It does feel snappy on draw you just don’t get the “live” snowflake preview till you close a drawn shape. On FF Android the snappy draw is worth the trade off.


Aw! Fills my heart with joy that she's inspired to code and you both enjoy it!


Thanks for the tip! Added it to an issue: https://github.com/shalanah/inapp-spy/issues/37


You can download as SVG! There is a screenshot JPG, fold + cut template PDF, and simple shape SVG download on the site.


My apologies, I missed that --- edited my post above to reflect your explanation.


So glad you enjoy it! And yes, I love web apps too!

Happy holidays + New Year!


Oh wow both Orion + Arc on iOS have the same UA as Safari and are testing positive for SFSafariViewController (an experimental test).

I'll look into other ways to not confuse SFSVC with these browsers.

Interestingly - downloads on Arc work really well but they are poorly done in Orion (open in a new window without clear option to download).

I use inappdebugger.com for testing exit links, UA, downloads etc.


I am curious: what about SFSVC interferes with the functionality of the site?


Downloads are really clunky in SFSVC. You can do them, but it takes like 3 actions compared to iOS Safari. I've gotten lots of complaints on another site I have that does on-the-fly blob (Object URL) downloads that users don't understand it.

Here's a snapshot: https://bsky.app/profile/shalanah.bsky.social/post/3las76tpl...


Thanks for the response!


I'll take a look, thanks for the heads-up!


Hi Diti, are you talking about the inapp link to Safari? If so - it's the only reliable escape link for ios. It should work on other WebKit browsers as well but no reliable inapp escape link is available for the default browser on ios anymore. There use to be another ios workaround but they closed it. Basically downloads don't work on inapp browsers and I need some way to get you out of them.


I'll take a look. Perhaps my inapp detection is throwing false positives. I also detect for SFSafariViewController because of the bad UX downloading experience there. Maybe it is catching your browser as well.


100%! Some onboarding could definitely help!


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