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> Sure, but you can't use DeFi to trade fiat for crypto.

Of course you can, both ways.

- https://bisq.network

- https://learn.robosats.com



https://learn.robosats.com/docs/trade-pipeline/

> On a private chat, Bob tells Alice how to send him fiat.

https://learn.robosats.com/docs/payment-methods/

> You can pay with any method that both you and your peer agree on. This includes the higher risk method such as PayPal, Venmo, and Cash apps.

C'mon, that's not trading fiat for crypto. That's "PayPal me some money".


What's interesting is it seems they're only putting up a a 3% bond from what I can see [1]. So it looks like people could just take 97% of your money and run.

Whenever a big exchange fails, we see a lot of people say "of course, this is why decentralization is better." But I'm not convinced people are less likely to lose money in decentralized exchanges. It seems like it would actually be easier, it's just that a bunch of small scale scams aren't going to get the same attention as a huge exchange collapsing.

[1] https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/robosats-private-bitcoi...


I love crypto! It's Decentralised! It's Trustless! De-fi is the future!

Then it turns out that the promised future involves trusting someone to honour a paypal and pray you're not being scammed.


Neither Robotsat or Bisq is that. The core functionality of these systems is to handle automated escrows.


Bisq is a really impressive project. Upon first hearing about it I was a bit skeptical at how a decentralized peer to peer exchange would work in practice, but now that I've used it a few times with no issues, it really does seem like the best way to do fiat <--> crypto exchanges. Really hope that bisq and other similar services get the recognition they deserve now that the trust in cex's has taken a fall.


Bisq v2 is going to be an interesting release: https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq2/blob/main/docs/aims.md

They're currently a little short on manpower. If you're a Java dev, you might consider giving a hand.


> - https://bisq.network

The last time I looked into this it required a security deposit in BTC.




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