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The scary(?) part about Trump voters this time around is that the narrative up to last year forced most such voters underground. It's why election pollsters all failed across the board.

Source: Me. I voted Trump and proudly so, didn't deliberate in public much because noone was going to listen and nothing was going to change my vote anyway. Make America Great Again.


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Is Trump responsible for the executive orders he signs? Is he responsible for the consequences of those actions?

Or is does he never make a mistake, never cause problems, never harm the people he says he's ready to mess with?


he's not responsible for an outbreak of a contagious illness. if he had been president 3 weeks ago the LA fire would have been linked to him. thats how it was for 4 years. then one day, nothing was the president's fault anymore. Nobody beleives that.


Trump offered tangible things while the opponent offered a much more though out philosophy and platform (even if one i disagree with).

The fact Trump offered to pardon Ross was enough to make me feel incredibly guilty for not voting for him. I was surprised he found a way to get to me like that, but reality and practical negotiation can be quite persuasive over ideology.

I suspect Trump had at least one important thing to enough people that is 100% achievable and physically real-- a part of a wall, a pardon, a $2000 -- that he could beat out someone offering ideas/hopes/dreams.


>The fact Trump offered to pardon Ross was enough to make me feel incredibly guilty for not voting for him

There's not much to it. Trump wanted the libertarian vote, libertarians wanted Ross free.

He was pardoning a bunch of treasonists, he could clip in a little bit of good on the size.


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Submissions like that often get flagged because they are mainstream political news items. As the HN guidelines say: “If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.”


And yet…

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/kdhe-unprecedented-tube...

https://www.kake.com/home/health-officials-facing-unpreceden...

KHSB is the Kansas City NBC affiliate and KAKE is the Wichita ABC affiliate.




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