CBT/ERP, medicalised Skinner pavlovian model, cheap, short term relief of symptoms, no long lasting effect.
CBT = there is no unconscious!
CBT is based on a theory that it is not events in themselves that upset us, but the meanings we give them. However, CBT believes that this meaning is conscious, can be accessed, and is not ambiguous.
If someone says that they feel sorry for a person, they do feel sorry and it is possible that their problem is that they should not; the therapist then tries to help the patient to see that they are thinking about something in the ‘wrong way’. By using brain washing techniques.
The concept of the unconscious, a central Freudian discovery, renders the picture instantly more complex: if you say you are sorry for someone it might indeed mean that you are sorry, but could also mean that you can’t face your own aggressiveness and the fact that you are delighted at what happened to the other.
The question of the existence of the unconscious is crucial, because if CBT starts to take into account the possibility of unconscious meanings and logic, then it would become another branch of psychoanalysis.
> CBT is based on a theory that it is not events in themselves that upset us, but the meanings we give them.
> The question of the existence of the unconscious is crucial, because if CBT starts to take into account the possibility of unconscious meanings and logic, then it would become another branch of psychoanalysis.
I read quite a few books, from Transactional Analysis, to DBT therapist manuals, CBT manuals, and the one I loved the most and which actually helped me the most cure my BPD -- the Schema Therapy manual.
CBT seems very well suited/tooled for point therapies, very through, asks you to do homeworks, note down thoughts, I can absolutely see how it works very well for a broad spectrum of point issues.
Schema Therapy I find like it is a 3rd generation/refinement of the whole "unconscious" thing -- for me it made a lot of sense coming from TA with the Parent-Adult-Child, but I found ST approach to modes a lot more actually therapeutical -- what's the point to have mythological "Unconscious"/theory of mind if it's not actually therapeutical?
Reading Jeffrey Young's ST handbook and watching him speak actually made me cry -- I bet he would be an awesome therapist NO MATTER the formation, because he's a great human being and archetype of a THERAPIST: humble, empathetic, curious, calm, scientific, systematic and riguros, no-nonsense, results oriented -- and that's what EVERY therapy system out there should strive to achieve in creating therapists that actually help people.
BUT the question is what is "help" ? And for me, beyond anecdote the benchmark of therapies is curing BPD/NPD :)
CBT/ERP, medicalised Skinner pavlovian model, cheap, short term relief of symptoms, no long lasting effect.
CBT = there is no unconscious!
CBT is based on a theory that it is not events in themselves that upset us, but the meanings we give them. However, CBT believes that this meaning is conscious, can be accessed, and is not ambiguous.
If someone says that they feel sorry for a person, they do feel sorry and it is possible that their problem is that they should not; the therapist then tries to help the patient to see that they are thinking about something in the ‘wrong way’. By using brain washing techniques.
The concept of the unconscious, a central Freudian discovery, renders the picture instantly more complex: if you say you are sorry for someone it might indeed mean that you are sorry, but could also mean that you can’t face your own aggressiveness and the fact that you are delighted at what happened to the other.
The question of the existence of the unconscious is crucial, because if CBT starts to take into account the possibility of unconscious meanings and logic, then it would become another branch of psychoanalysis.