I want to seriously question what you mean by "History".
The history I understand places blame on the British Empire and the neo Israeli State.
My understanding of this situation is that terrorism is initiated by Islamic jihadists. The environment that allows those jihadists to thrive is created by Israel.
The Gaza strip, is the poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.
actually... after arabs rejected partition plan and Israel fought it independence war, Egypt took over Gaza strip and Jordan over entire west bank. Instead of establishing there Palestinian state Jordan annexed west bank at 1950 and Egypt fenced off gaza strip with all palestinians. For next 20 years it was the state of affairs till Israel took over the territories in 1967.
So maybe it's Egypt fault ?
When peace agreement with Egypt was signed, it refused to take back Gaza.
So maybe it's Egypt Fault ?
And extra fun fact: there is UN report dated 1982 or something which described effects of Israeli occupation. The outcome was modern infrastructure, literacy rate jumping up by tens of percent, infant deaths falling down and life expectancy going up by 10 or 15 years.
If this is " poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.", well...
The amount of revisionist history here is a bit absurd.
Let us make it clear. Israel outright denied multiple partition maps. Israel had the advantage of being on the side designing the UN maps too. It is incredibly well known that most of the maps proposed by Israel included Jerusalem as exclusively Israeli territory.
They also allocated more land to Israel than the Arabs, despite having less than half the population.
On average, 60% of the land, going to less than 30% of the population. No fucking shit the Arabs were having none of it.
So no, that's a completely stupid and nonsense argument.
Egypt closing the border? You forgot the time period. Everyone has closed borders. Egypt was one of them. And either way, this is irrelevant. Israel kicked out Palestinians, not Egypt.
Further more, you claim the increase in education is some sort of Israeli achievement. It is not.
It is literally the global trend in literacy throughout at the time. You could literally say the same thing about Japan, China, India.
Finally, Gaza itself.
Look at the west bank. Do you see hamas attacking from there? No. It is from Lebanon and Gaza. Why? Because Palestinians can actually have a life in the WestBank.
Because Gaza is a literal 1:1 open air prison.
Digging wells is illegal, all Gaza water is owned by Israel
Fishing is illegal. All water rights are owned by Israel. (Not a joke)
Exports are almost completely illegal. Imports as well.
Business is mostly illegal, primarily to "stop hamas from acquiring funds".
Immigration is also illegal. You are only allowed to leave with a work visa. Good luck getting one.
Education is practically non existent. Ironically, Israel has literally demolished multiple schools in Gaza.
People born in Gaza basically cannot leave. So you have a poorly educated, frustrated population.
Tons of spare time, nothing they can do. And then along comes Hamas. "Hey kiddo, wanna see the outside world?"
> Digging wells is illegal, all Gaza water is owned by Israel
That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there.
The problem Gaza has, is a lot of the water from the wells is undrinkable, in part due to intrusion of seawater into the aquifer. Israel extracts a lot of water from the same aquifer further inland, which is argued worsens the seawater intrusion problem. However, desalination is used to deal with this problem, and international donors have spent significant sums on providing desalination equipment to communities in Gaza. That requires electricity (of which there is not always a reliable supply), and parts and consumables for repair and maintenance (for which there can sometimes be difficulties getting Israel to permit their import.)
> Fishing is illegal
According to [1]: "The total catch in Gazan waters has risen in recent years, according to the Palestinian bureau of statistics, from 2,322.9 metric tons in 2006 to 3,943.4 in 2019, when Israel expanded the permitted fishing zone to 15 nautical miles in some areas from six, but still short of the 20 nautical miles agreed to under the Oslo accords, the 1990s peace agreement that was supposed to lay the path for Palestinian statehood."
It is true that Israel has a negative impact on Gaza's fishing industry – through limiting how far out to sea Gazans are permitted to fish, and by restricting import of goods needed to repair boats, many of which are classified by the Israeli government as "dual use" technologies – but a 2019 catch of over 3900 metric tons is hardly "fishing is illegal"
> That's not true. There are over 10,000 wells in Gaza. Hamas controls who is allowed to dig wells in Gaza [0] – Israel lacks effective control over the territory of Gaza so has no ability to stop anyone from digging a well there.
False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel. More specifically, anything constructed without a specific, israeli approved permit, is demolished. This applies to both the WestBank and Gaza. [0][1]
[0]https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-demolishes-...
> False. All water in the Gaza strip, is explicitly controlled by the Israeli state. Specifically, this stems from the fact that the construction of wells requires a permit from Israel.
In practice, no Israeli permits are needed to construct a well in Gaza. Nobody asks Israel for one and Israel doesn’t give anyone one.
Hamas says you need a permit from them to build a well in the Gaza Strip. Since they exercise de facto on-the-ground military control over the populated territory of Gaza, they are much better placed to enforce their laws on the topic than Israel is.
> More specifically, anything constructed without a specific, israeli approved permit, is demolished. This applies to both the WestBank and Gaza.
De facto, it doesn’t apply in Gaza. People dig wells in Gaza all the time and build things all the time. Nobody ever asks Israel for a permit. They may be forced however to get a permit from the Hamas-controlled Gaza government. If you don’t get the permit from Hamas, armed Hamas men may come knocking on your door. Whereas, Israeli troops were never going to invade Gaza over a mere well.
As evidence it applies in Gaza, you are citing an Israeli air strike on Gaza’s water supply infrastructure. I’ve never heard Israel attempt to justify such attacks as enforcing its laws on wells. Rather, it seems clear the attack was justified as a reprisal for a Hamas attack on Israel. Whatever the rights or wrongs of that reprisal, it has nothing to do with water policy in Gaza during those periods when the Gaza Strip and Israel have been (relatively speaking) at peace.
> As evidence it applies in Gaza, you are citing an Israeli air strike on Gaza’s water supply infrastructure. I’ve never heard Israel attempt to justify such attacks as enforcing its laws on wells. Rather, it seems clear the attack was justified as a reprisal for a Hamas attack on Israel. Whatever the rights or wrongs of that reprisal, it has nothing to do with water policy in Gaza during those periods when the Gaza Strip and Israel have been (relatively speaking) at peace.
This doesn't change the simple fact that Israel sites the lack of a building permit as an excuse to destroy anything built in Gaza. (Or the WestBank)
There are far more instances of this, including some where they just pour concrete into the wells. Unfortunately, English speaking outlets don't really report on these incidents. So the only english "sources" that can be found are heavily slanted Muslim propaganda articles.
The other sources are actually reports from the Knesset, which I also can't read without a translator. (Which is why I didn't link either) Specifically, the source I am referencing here are IWA (Israel Water Authority) reports on illegal water well drilling. They release a report every year. They tend to get referenced by NGOs in articles relating to Gaza or the West Bank.
In my opinion, what matters here is enforcement. Israel does enforce their rights on water sources. Even water sources inside of Gaza/WestBank. The lack of targeted strikes in Gaza doesn't mean they don't claim control over all water sources in the territories. (IE: China and the South China Sea debacle)
there are too many alternative facts in your post . i will refer to only one. or two
>It is literally the global trend in literacy throughout at the time. You could literally say the same thing about Japan, China, India.
gaza was both occupied by egypt and fenced off by egypt, unlike joran that annexed west bank. israel brought to gaza electricity, phones, sewage systems. built hospitals and schools.
"global trends" do not make things happen. people make things happen
>Look at the west bank. Do you see hamas attacking from there? No. It is from Lebanon and Gaza. Why? Because Palestinians can actually have a life in the WestBank.
so, after Hamas massacred PA authority/PLO people in gaza (you know, throwing people from buildings, drugging them behind cars) in 2007, PA in west bank spends considerable efforts to eradicate hamas from west bank. Hamas is mortal enemy of PA in west bank. PA in west bank has deep security cooperation with Israel in order to deal hamas.
No hamas > no rockets&mortars flying to Israel > people can live a good life.
> gaza was both occupied by egypt and fenced off by egypt, unlike joran that annexed west bank. israel brought to gaza electricity, phones, sewage systems. built hospitals and schools. "global trends" do not make things happen. people make things happen
Yea no. That is actually just not relevant. Once again, this is a global trend! Massive infrastructure projects, massive new investments in the economy. Post war economic miracle.
Global trends are literally set by people. Literacy rates were increasing rapidly during that time. Medical technologies saw massive investment and growth due to the experience of, and aftermath of a global war.
> so, after Hamas massacred PA authority/PLO people in gaza (you know, throwing people from buildings, drugging them behind cars) in 2007, PA in west bank spends considerable efforts to eradicate hamas from west bank. Hamas is mortal enemy of PA in west bank. PA in west bank has deep security cooperation with Israel in order to deal hamas.
This is literally my point! Israel can, and has that ability to fight Hamas in the west bank!
And now because Gaza is a convenient political tool, the PA have started losing votes to Hamas in recent elections in the west bank!
None of that would happen, were it not for keeping Gaza as a literal open air prison!
Your view is literally the opposite of reality.
> Good Life => No reason to join radical terrorist group => Hamas weakens.
on west bank 98% of job is done by PA. not by IDF. Its very rare occasion for Idf to get involved.
West bank and gaza in general are very different places with "different" population. I did hear in past sentiments from palestinians on west bank that gazans are uneducated animals. This can partly be attributed to what I wrote before: Jordan annexed west bank and kinda tried "uplift" population while Egypt let gaza rot for 20 years.
Israel couldn't handle hamas in gaza and this is why it pulled out. Just like it pulled out of south lebanon that had "sympathetic" south lebanon army.
After pulling out of gaza israel tried to keep control of gaza<>egypt border in order to prevent smuggling via tunnels but it wasn't sustainable without creating depopulated strip a couple of miles deep. there were considered "light versions" of it, but supreme court prohibited doing so and army realized that it pointless anyway. so israel pulled out of this area as well.
when israel pulled out there was expression "gaza can become either singapore or mogadishu, and it's up to gazans to decide". after israel pulled out all the agricaltural equipment that was left behind (also was controversial but there were hope that it will help to develop industry/economy) was trashed, houses were looted and hamas proceeded with shooting even more rockets and mortars.
> on west bank 98% of job is done by PA. not by IDF. Its very rare occasion for Idf to get involved.
That doesn't really change what I said? Israel and the Palestinian Authority both fight Hamas. But the state of Gaza is acting as a counter. It is slowly tipping the scales towards Hamas in the West Bank. Israel and PA cooperate when it comes to dealing with Hamas in the West Bank.
> when israel pulled out there was expression "gaza can become either singapore or mogadishu
This might just be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. Singapore is what it is due to it's geographical location and having a benevolent dictator. It is under all circumstances, impossible for gaza to become a singapore of the middle east.
That position is taken by the Suez Canal, which we all know is controlled by Egypt.
The history I understand places blame on the British Empire and the neo Israeli State.
My understanding of this situation is that terrorism is initiated by Islamic jihadists. The environment that allows those jihadists to thrive is created by Israel.
The Gaza strip, is the poster child of how to create an adversarial environment that breeds terrorism.